CategoryInvestment process

Manufactured urgency: The case for ignoring IPOs

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Everything around IPOs is setup to work against an investor. Traders may profit from the initial spike, but the odds are stacked against someone who plans to invest for  2-3 years

The Math is not in your favor

Let’s analyze the numbers from a long term perspective. Around 935 companies were listed in the last 3 years and 330 of these companies beat the index over this period. In other words, you had better odds of earning higher returns in the nifty index versus a randomly selected IPO

It is worse if you dig deeper into the data – Close to 50% of all IPO in the last 3 years are below their IPO price, so investors on average broke even over a 3 year period.

It gets even worse if you analyze the data in the short term when a lot of people are buying into the hype. The return for an IPO , 60 days post listing, is negative on average due to the ‘buyer’s trap’. This occurs as most of the alpha has already been extracted by the primary allotees who were given the stock before the IPO at a lower price

Why do investors loose money ?

The reason is not difficult to understand. I wrote a post long time back (in 2007 !!) on this topic and nothing has changed since then

The key reason is that an IPO is an event where motivated sellers try their best to sell overpriced merchandise to buyers

Before we get worked up about the innocent, unsuspecting buyer, let me point out that buyers are equally to blame. The buyer is not being forced to buy anything. No one is holding a gun to your head to buy an IPO

I am neither a buyer nor a seller in IPOs and have no axe to grind. I have never bought an IPO for myself, my family or my clients in the last 25 years

The seller (existing owners/promoters) try to price their company as high as they can. What do you expect them to do ? will you do something different ? When we are sellers, we want the best price for our stuff too

I am not condoning the bad behavior of sellers and their enablers (the merchant bankers) who dress up a company to make it appear better than the reality. That said, the truth is that a company is always presented in best possible light and then priced to the extreme at the time of the IPO – The groom and bride get in their best shape before their marriage 😊

To ensure that the IPO is a success, merchant bankers pull no stops. There are roadshows (marketing events), TV interviews, influencer pitches and so on. This is similar to promoting a new movie where all marketing tools are used to generate excitement around the company

The odds are stacked against you

Lets put the various points together

  • The company financials have been dressed up before the IPO to show it in best possible light
  • The IPO is priced to the highest level the market can bear
  • IPOs are launched during during strong markets when investor enthusiasm is high
  • There is considerable marketing push generated around event to create excitement and demand for the IPO
  • Pre-allotment of company stock to preferred investors, insiders and employees at below IPO price
  • Expiration of lockin after the IPO event resulting in excess supply into the market

The solution to all of this is very simple – Don’t play the game where the odds are stacked against you. If you want to look at such companies, analyse them like any other stock. Look at the company, its performance and valuations after all the hoopla has died down

In my own case, I have bought companies which have listed long after the drama had died down and the valuations were reasonable. It was no different from buying any other company listed on the market

How to become an investor (part 2) – Design your learning process

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In the last post, I wrote about three stages of an investor – The Beginner, Novice and Expert.

In the initial years as you learn, you will find books and courses to guide you through this evolution. After 8-10 years of this journey, if you are still investing actively and more importantly learning, you won’t find a nicely packaged curriculum to progress further

In college our learning is structured and guided by others. As an early expert – someone who knows a lot, you are now on your own and that is disorienting.

It is tempting to read more books, hoping to learn but you realize that you have reached the point of diminishing returns. You look for gurus, but soon realize that they are no different, though some sound confident online. Often these gurus are performing no better than you and make similar mistakes

Finally, the handful of super-investors who can teach you something are not accessible.

You have to develop your own learning process. There are no pre-defined guidebooks to do that, but some approaches which I will share with you

Mistakes as your guide

One of the most powerful ways to learn at this stage is reflecting on your process and mistakes. Let me explain

Once you have learnt the basics and become proficient, it’s time to start documenting your process and decision making. Write down the thesis, valuation estimate, your entry criteria, position sizing and so on. Finally, when you exit the position, review what happened versus what you expected

Reflect on what went wrong, what you got right and what you missed. Go back to your process and refine it. You have to keep doing this to keep learning

Teach others

The other well known way to learn is to teach others. Write about it, make online videos or take classes for other investors

When you make your knowledge explicit, you teach others as much as you teach yourself. You find gaps in your knowledge and can fill those gaps

I accidentally stumbled into this through my blog and have been learning/teaching others for 20 years. My plan is to expand this further

Jump boundaries

I realized this aspect of learning in 2019 when I found gaps in my understanding of the market and was unable to explain some of my failures. As I reflected on these mistakes , I started studying other types of investing. This led me down a rabbit hole of swing and position trading, Momentum investing, Quantitative and Technical analysis and more

I am still a value investor at heart, but have incorporated the core principles of these approaches into my process

Keep an open mind

This is the key to your learning process. Do not think of yourself as an expert who knows it all. Always consider yourself as a beginner – in other words, keep your ego out. Be open to learning from other investors including ones who are much younger than you

I follow all types of investors as they bring fresh ideas and new approaches which sometimes don’t make sense to me. Whenever I am confused or find something is working but doesn’t make sense to me, my instinct is not to dismiss it but to dive deeper into it

That’s the reason I am obsessed with AI and other new technologies these days. I get energized when I find something new to learn and that gets me to the final point

To develop as an investor, you must love the process of learning and getting better at your craft each day.

Investing as a marathon

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We wrote the following note to our subscribers


We are in the middle of the earning season. I wanted to share what we are seeing and how we are thinking about the portfolio.

The overall results have been patchy with single digit topline and profit growth for several companies. There are sub-sectors which have shown better performance, some of which we hold in our portfolio

Private sector banks/NBFC : This segment has shown mid teens (15-20%) growth in topline and profits. As the rate cycle turns, it should help the NIM in case of banks which have a strong liability profile. We have two positions in this segment

PSU banks: Several PSU banks such as Union bank, PSB bank have shown decent results

Healthcare/Diagnostics space: Several companies in the diagnostics space have delivered good performance. These companies are 100% domestic and have no impact from Geopolitical issues. Our holding in this space has delivered good results

Jewelery: Companies in this space have posted high growth driven by gold prices. Kalyan jewelers had 37% growth in sales and profit. Titan company posted around 19% growth in sales. Also the continued rise in price could impact the demand for gold in time

Hotels: This segment continues to perform well with an increasing ARR driven by increasing demand supply gap. Demand continues to outpace supply.

Pharma/CDMO space: The long term trend of outsourcing research, development and manufacturing of NCE continues. This trend is similar to the IT services business which leverages the capability and cost arbitrage across countries. We hold a few positions in this space

Diversified without concentration

We cap the size of our positions at 5% and around 15% for any sector. This allows us to manage risk.

At the same time, we are also diversified across sectors. The upside is that some part of our portfolio is always doing well. The flip side is that some parts of the portfolio is also doing badly. That is the point of diversification

If your portfolio is doing too well at a point of time, then your diversification is too low. There is nothing good or bad about it – it’s a personal risk preference

As we have shared in the past, we prefer above average returns with below average risk. That means we will never have mind blowing results, but then we will also avoid stomach churning losses

For us investing is a 20+ year marathon. If we want to be around doing this in 2045, then its important to keep our blood pressure low and sleep well. An above average results for a very long time, will work wonders as our past record shows

The new Superpower

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Last week, i posted a note on the paradigm shift in white collar work. i have been exploring the new LLM-based tools such as ChatGPT, especially the deep research option, to improve the quality of my analysis and productivity.

Let me explain how –

I search for new ideas using various screens, charts and through general reading. I then review the charts and read a few annual reports and conference call transcripts. At this stage I have a rough idea about the company and know enough to ask the right questions.

Research plan and Autonomous agents

This is a good point for me to create a research plan. This plan has the usual elements of company details, its industry, competitors, management and so on. The nuance is adding company specific questions which are relevant to the idea. For example – when analyzing a bank i would like to compare it with other banks various metrics such provisions, NPA trends, Loan books etc

I feed this research plan into multiple LLM tools – Chatgpt, Grok and Gemini etc . I can add all the annual reports, conference call ppt and transcripts to the chat too. The deep research tool uses these uploaded documents as the primary source to generate a detailed report. The beauty of these tools is that if it cannot find the answer, it does extensive search on the web and provides those details with references

The latest reasoning models can understand your questions and reason through the best approach on answering them. It can also figure out which tools to use such as Search, code interpreter and so on. In other words, it is acting as an autonomous agent

The result is often a 30–40-page detailed report tailored to my questions. This report then sparks more questions which i can google or ask the LLM to find answers

In summary, these tools are like 24/7 analysts, improving at an exponential rate. The analyst is not smart enough to ask the right questions or decide on which companies to research. That is my job.

Are these tools perfect? Of course not. They often get the numbers wrong but by knowing enough beforehand, i find the errors and correct them. As these tools evolve, i expect to use them in more creative ways

The price of uncertainty

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The Nifty is down 1% for the week and up 2% in the last 30 days. It is down 3.85% for the year.

If you were out on holiday from 1st jan, did not check the news and looked at your portfolio today, you would not know about the daily chaos. The problem is investors check the news by the hour and that has caused a lot of volatility in the markets

This volatility is great if you are a day trader or high frequency quant. It’s a problem if your horizon is a few months to a year. As your horizon starts lengthening, this day-to-day volatility becomes less of an issue

The first step is to decide your investing horizon and act accordingly

The eventual outcome of this tariff war will have differing impact on each company, but that will be known in years. It’s futile for an investor to analyze the impact in real time when the main actors in the drama keep changing their stance by the hour

FOMO of a sharp recovery

In 2020, we took a slow and steady approach. We justified this approach as follows

How does one invest under such extreme uncertainty? One option is to assume that there will be a quick recovery and go all in. The other extreme is to wait till it is all clear and then deploy the capital. In the first approach one is making a bet on a specific scenario which may not occur, leading to sub-par results. In the second case, we may end up with sub-par returns too because prices will adjust once the uncertainty goes away.

If we assume that 50% of the investors bet on rapid recovery and the other 50% bet on the whole thing dragging on, the first group turned out to be right

You are now hearing from such investors who went all-in, in the month of March/April.

As the market recovered sharply from April 2020, we slowly deployed the cash with the following thinking

Under the circumstances, my approach is that of ‘regret minimization’. That’s a fancy way of saying that I will do something in middle, so that I can avoid FOMO (fear of missing out) if the first scenario occurs, but at the same time have enough dry powder available in case the economic recovery takes longer

We had a weaker 2020, but made up for it in the subsequent years. The reason for this hedged approach is because I think Survival is the ultimate prize

I don’t want to be a hero with our subscribers or on social media by calling the bottom and going all in. Our goal is to invest in a measured fashion and make decent returns over the long term

Pricing the imagined risks

I am not advocating burying head in the sand and waiting for all uncertainty to clear up. As investors, we think the future is clear sometimes and cloudy at others.

This is just a mirage. The future is always cloudy

When investors think the future is clear, they bid up the price of stocks. At that time, it makes sense to remind yourself that the future is unknown and reduce your risk by selling down the overpriced stocks

Conversely when investors get frightened and over discount uncertainty, we should become active in the market. The key word is over-discounting the risk

At such times, stock prices reflect real and imagined risks. This is the time to take your hard earned money and deploy it in the market. Your emotions will scream at you to get out as the market keeps proving you wrong in the near term

I am not waiting for the uncertainty to clear (it never does), but the market to ‘price’ in the uncertainty in specific stocks of interest

Winning the battle, losing the war

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I have tweaked my approach in the last few years. An outcome is higher number of transactions and re-entering the same position even though it did not work the first time. This is not about being proven right, but buying a stock if the probabilities are favorable, even if it did not work the first time

This gives an impression of flip flopping to my subscribers. I wrote the following note in response to that.

Winning the battle, losing the war

I have been fixated on the success of each position for a long time. This is a very common mindset among all investors. Although, everyone knows that it’s the portfolio returns that count, we get hung up on each holding

My guess is that some of this comes from our schooling, where we were graded on each question and the final score was a total of individual marks. It does not work that way in life and Investing

For example, if you hold 10 stocks in your portfolio and one stock goes up 10X and the rest drop by 50% before you liquidate your entire portfolio, you have made 45% on your portfolio

Is this hypothetical? Not in the venture capital world where one position can go up 100X and the rest can go to 0. Public market portfolios behave in the same manner.

Most of our alpha have come from a handful of positions

If this is the reality, it leads to a few logical actions

  1. We should not chase a high hit rate. A less than 50% success rate is fine as long as we manage the downside risk. Portfolio management is not an entrance exam
  2. The key is to get a few positions right and make the most of it. If that means, re-entering the same positions several times, so be it. Did it matter we lost 20% on Neuland labs before making 150% on it. The other downside of this approach is higher number of transactions
  3. We will appear to flip flop and regularly change our mind. We will hold our position only if the company gives us reasons to do so. Each position has to earn its place

Disclaimer

  • This report is published by RC Capital Management – SEBI Registered Investment Advisor (INA000004088).
  • This report is for educational purposes only and should not be construed as an Investment Advice.
  • RC Capital Management may have recommended the above stocks to our clients in the past. However, this is not a recommendation to buy / hold / sell the stock at the time of publishing this report.
  • The securities quoted are for illustration purpose only and are not recommendatory
  • RC Capital Management may hold position in any of the companies mentioned in the report at the time of publishing the same. Its partners may hold a position in this company in their individual capacity at the time of publishing.
  • Neither RC Capital Management nor its partners have received any compensation from any company mentioned in this report for the preparation of this report.
  • There is no conflict of interest for RC Capital Management / it’s partners due to publishing this report

On selling

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There are three ways we can sell or scale out a position

  1. Sell early or in other words sell into strength
  2. Sell late or in other words sell into weakness
  3. Sell at the absolute top

The first two options are known only in hindsight and the third option is a desire of many investors, but should never be the goal of a sensible investor. I know of no system where someone can sell at the top on a consistent basis (consistent being the key word)

All forms of investing and trading try to achieve an above average return on a consistent basis. So lets remove option c and focus on the other two options.

We have to pick our poison – Either sell early and leave some money on the table or sell late and see some of the paper gains evaporate. We use a mix of the two to minimize regret

For example, we sold some of Polycab, Apl apollo etc into strength in 2022 and 2023 and the balance was sold after we hit the peak and the stock started sliding. In these two cases, we sold some early based on position sizing and the rest once we hit the stoploss or due to some issue. In both cases, we achieved a decent return on the total position.

Both the stocks rose after we trimmed the positions in 2022/23 and polycab even doubled from our initial sale. For the portion we held on, we made a decent return but sold below the peak price

In effect, we had regrets after each transaction and that is the key point. No matter, what decision we make, we will have regrets. Sometimes the result of the action will be visible in months and sometimes after years (such as Balaji amines which went up 20X+ after we sold)

We are not trying to achieve perfection in any investment decision. We are trying to do a reasonable job and minimize (not eliminate regret).

This means that our transaction timing will be reasonable but never perfect, though we are making constant effort to improve the quality of these decisions


Disclaimer

  • This report is published by RC Capital Management – SEBI Registered Investment Advisor (INA000004088).
  • This report is for educational purposes only and should not be construed as an Investment Advice.
  • RC Capital Management may have recommended the above stocks to our clients in the past. However, this is not a recommendation to buy / hold / sell the stock at the time of publishing this report.
  • The securities quoted are for illustration purpose only and are not recommendatory
  • RC Capital Management does not hold any position in any of the companies mentioned in the report at the time of publishing the same. Its partners may hold a position in this company in their individual capacity at the time of publishing.
  • Neither RC Capital Management nor its partners have received any compensation from any company mentioned in this report for the preparation of this report.
  • There is no conflict of interest for RC Capital Management / it’s partners due to publishing this report.

Managing risk without timing the market

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We posted the following to our subscribers recently. Thought of sharing it with a wider audience


There was a question from one of the subscribers to which we responded via email. we wanted to share the communication with all of you. We have slightly edited the conversation and added to it

Question:  

I am fully invested into the model portfolio stocks currently, will I get any panic alert to liquidate portfolio and raise cash and wait for a dip again. Is that how your investing style works or I stay put and be invested at all times. Asking this as, most stocks are trading at all time highs. Is it possible to buy cheap and sell high!?

Our response

We think the underlying question is about timing the market and if we cannot time it, then what will be our course of action? Will we sell in panic to raise cash or just stay put and live through the rollercoaster ride

For starters, we cannot predict the stock market and so can no one else. We have spent 25 years looking at all kinds of systems and approaches and there is none which can predict the market. Some approaches can alert you to the possibility, but there is no fool proof system. If one exists, it is unlikely the practioner will ever share it.

The second part of the question is about a sudden crash and panic selling in response to it. The only scenario where everything just collapses and requires us to liquidate the full portfolio is if a major global catastrophe occurs. Unfortunately, no one can predict or prepare for it.

We have never seen a market where everything collapses suddenly. The worst case was covid which took close to a month to play out.

So how should we navigate this risk if we cannot predict.

We have a defined process to manage risk at the portfolio level and at the risk of repetition, let’s go over it again.

  1. Being diversified: We have 20+ positions in our portfolio with no position exceeding 7% and sector allocation capped below 15%. A collapse in a stock or a sector will hurt us, but not wipe us out
  2. Avoid leverage in the portfolio including F&O: No one can force us to sell
  3. Have sufficient cash: This is not part of our advisory, but 101 of personal finance which all of you should practice. Have proper equity allocation based on your age, and risk tolerance and enough cash to cover personal expenses for 6 months
  4. Stop loss on all positions: This acts as a circuit breaker at the stock and portfolio level. If the stop loss is hit for a stock due to company, sector or market related reason we will exit from a risk management standpoint. We will cap our losses and look for reasons at a later point. These stop losses are reviewed monthly and in advance so that we don’t have to make decisions in the heat of the moment

Our approach is to buy and hold each position till either of these conditions are met.

  • Stock becomes extremely overvalued, and we decide to cut position size to manage risk.
  • Company level issues occur and causes me to lose confidence.
  • Stop loss gets hit for obvious or unknown reasons.
  • A better idea comes along.

In summary we have a process laid out to manage risk level in the portfolio via diversification, position size and finally stop loss so that we don’t have to predict what will happen. As we cannot predict, our only option is to react to what is happening and if a dire situation occurs, we will do what needs to be done

Playing games

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I got introduced to poker in 2020 and have taken to this game. You can read the rules of the game here. The rules are quite simple. The richness comes from the lack of perfect information

As the community cards open on the board, one bets not only on one’s own cards but also based on the strength of the opponent’s hand. As the opponent’s hand is hidden from us, we are forced to make probabilistic decisions

As the card are dealt, one makes these decisions based on betting and other actions (called as tells) of the opponent. The beauty of the game is that one can see the result of the decisions quite quickly – in a matter of 5-10 min as the hand is played out. This allows for rapid learning

As you play the game, the parallels with investing/trading become clear. Investing has far more variables and is not the same as poker. That said, both involve decision making under uncertainty

I wanted to share some learnings from the game, as related to investing

  • Losing even when odds are in your favor: Decision making under uncertainty involves making probabilistic decision. Even when the odds are in your favor, the result can go against you. The probability of win could be 60% which is considered high in poker, yet 40% of the time the result will be against you (no surprise there). This happens often and inspite of all the rational thinking such events do upset me. Most other players in poker or investing are not even thinking of probabilities

The key is to focus on the process and not the outcome (easier said than done)

  • Keeping losses low: Odds will often not be in your favor and you will be tempted to make a bet. At such times, folding your hand against all your instincts is the right decision. Making such decisions is never easy as one is losing money – by folding in poker or selling a position in the portfolio. However, such decisions are the key to doing well in the long run.

What ‘feels’ good in the short term is not good for long term results and vice versa. That’s why investing is simple but not easy

  • Know yourself: Some players are aggressive risk taker. They will bluff often and make big bets when odds are slightly in their favor. Other players like me are more conservative. I am constantly calculating the odds and making bets accordingly. I am also focused on not going bust in a game (losing my entire stack). I invest in stocks in the same manner. The only difference in my poker game is that I will occasionally bet high when the odds are really good.

Successful players play to their natural bent of mind, but at the same time should try to do what is not comfortable for them. Combing the right amount of offense and defense is an art and a lifelong process in poker and investing

The difficulty in selling

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I wrote this note to our subscribers recently. Names of companies are not investment advise and we may or may not hold them in the model portfolio

Hope you find this note useful

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I have identified myself as a buy and hold investor for a long time. I started investing in late 90s and was looking for a guru/north star at that time. This was the start of the internet era and unlike today, there were no online resources on investing

I came across Warren Buffett through a book –  The Warren Buffett way and was hooked by his persona and investment philosophy. As it usually happens, once you admire someone, you tend to follow almost everything they say or do

Buy and Hold (or hope?)

One of the core tenets of Buffett’s philosophy has been buy and hold. I have embraced this philosophy whole heartedly in the last 20 years. Even though there was a degree of blind faith in following this approach, I have been amply rewarded for it

Over the course of time, as I have thought about it, I have realized some nuances to it. This has made me question if buy and hold (as I practice) makes sense in ALL cases

The precondition to the buy and hold philosophy is that you buy a great business with great management and hold for the long term to benefit from compounding. If either condition is not met, one should not buy the business in the first place

I have often made the mistake of defaulting to buy and hold inspite of the management or business being below average instead of selling and moving on

Why is selling tough?

The reason is not difficult to see – selling is tough and there is always regret in hindsight. No matter what logic you use, there is always something to regret about

For example

  • Follow a valuations-based sell approach and you get the case of Vinati organics where one should have done nothing
  • Don’t follow the valuations/stage of the cycle approach and you get Piramal enterprises or Edelweiss where you overstay you position and lose all your gains and some
  • Make a mistake in evaluating a business and don’t exit promptly and you get Shemaroo ent with an 70% loss
  • If you like the business and management, but keep holding on, waiting for the business to turn, you end with an opportunity loss as with Thomas cook (I) ltd
  • Sell early and you may end up with a Balaji amines and miss out on a multi bagger

I cannot think of an example where I did not have any regret. When one faces this situation, the natural tendency is to do NOTHING and hope it will all work out. I am trying to avoid that now

Make mistakes and fix them

We sold IEX and reduced our position in Laurus labs recently. If these stocks keep rising, I will regret selling early. I will make decisions against my natural instincts, expecting to wrong a few times.  If I am wrong, such as in the case of IEX or Laurus labs, we can always turn around and buy the stock again.

If I am accused of flip flopping, I consider that as a compliment. My loyalty is to the portfolio and you (the subscribers) and not to the stock or the company we hold

Ps: In the list of companies above, I have shared the worst of my decisions in the last 10 years. There are more and it’s a long list. You can accuse me of making dumb decisions from time to time, but no one can say that we try to hide them. All my decisions and thinking can be accessed here and my public blog

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