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How to look at the market swings – Time horizon

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I have been re-thinking my time horizon for investments for some time and have made some changes to it. The corresponding impact on my investment decisions and how I look at the market swings has been dramatic. My earlier time horizon was on an average 2-3 years. However I have now increased my time horizon to 10 years for my SIP component. The active portfolio component still has a horizon of 2-3 years.

I cannot understate the impact of extending or changing time horizon has on how one looks at market volatility, current events, investment ideas etc. Let me illustrate

10 year or more horizon – If you are in you 20’s, 30’s or even 40’s this time horizon makes sense. For a time horizon of 10 years, short term market movements have no importance. Over a 10 year horizon, if you are looking at index funds or well managed mutual funds, a small amount of overvaluation does not matter. These overvaluations would even out as long as one has not bought extensively during the peak. At the same time if you are investing via SIP (systematic investment plan), then during a 10 year or more period, there will be periods of recessions, market bubbles and all kinds of fluctuations. However the portfolio should perform well (see my post on the power of SIP here)

If like me, you are investing a portion of your portfolio with the above horizon, the current circus on PN notes, subprime crisis in US, oil price etc etc will not hold too much importance. If you feel that Indian companies as a whole will do well in the next 10-15 years, then find an ETF, get into an SIP and get on with other things in life

2-5 years – This is my active portfolio horizon. I tend to look for undervalued companies selling at 50% discount to intrinsic value and if the gap closes in 2-3 years, I have a 20-25% return per annum. For this horizon, current market events make a difference in the sense they provide me opportunities to buy stocks which have been beaten down for no reason. The more the better. Beyond that, it doesn’t matter whether the market will open 1% up or 1% down.

1 year or less – This is the time horizon for the aribitrage component of my portfolio. I have written about a few likely opportunities earlier. Here some corporate action such as buy back, rights issue, spin offs create an opportunity. In this component, current market level or events should not matter. The company specific developments are more important. However I have seen that sometimes market events can suddenly throw off the entire calculations and result in a loss. I am still not heavily into arbitrage and would not have more than 10% of my portfolio in it in the future.

1 day – 1 month – I do not operate in this horizon. Profitable or not, it is not my cup of tea and I do not have the stomach for it. This where all financial websites, TV channels’ and several blogs focus. In this time horizon the current PN issue, subprime in US and whether the market will open higher or lower on Monday may matter. Question to ask yourself – are the returns you are making commensurate with the effort?

All I can say is that if you decide to play this game, have the stomach for it and don’t risk too much capital.

I have been reading on some websites and blogs, stories of people who got into the market near the top and are now suffering losses. I can empathise with them as I have gone through the same. The problem is that most of us think we can tolerate losses, but when they really happen it is gut wrenching. The worst thing to happen is that such people get scared from the market for ever and never return back. That is definitely not good in the long term if you want to build a decent nest egg.

I think it is important for us to understand our risk tolerance and see which time horizon we want to operate in and take investment decisions accordingly. That ofcourse is easier said than done.

Banking

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I have written earlier on banks

On valuation approach of banks

More thoughts on valuation of banks

Various factors to evaluate banks

Margin of safety and Banks

I recently posted on a Financial services company ‘
sundaram Finance’ which has a business model similar to banks.

I have been analysing banks as a group, trying to understand their business models better. I found the following articles useful to understand the working of a bank

Asset liability management function of banks

Various factors in evaluating banks

NPA and various factors in understanding Bank NPA’s

A few additional thoughts on the business model of banks

– The traditional lending business of banks is now becoming a smaller portion of the business. The ‘other income’ portion which comes from various activities such as distribution of financial products, cash management etc is now becoming more important as this income is not sensitive to interest rate changes and requires less capital
– The % of other income to total profit is higher for the newer private banks than the PSU banks. In addition lower NPA and more profitable growth has resulted in a higher valuation for private banks such as HDFC, ICICI etc
– Banks have been consistently increasing the proportion of their variable rate products. This enables the bank to reduce their Asset liability mismatch.
– Banks profits, especially of PSU banks were subdued last year due to the increase in deposit rates. However PSU bank assets tend to follow the higher rates with a lag. Private banks are able to manage these fluctuations better through various derivative products. I think PSU banks are still lagging in this field. As a result it is likely that several PSU banks will see an expansion of margins as deposit rates stabilize and the Asset yields improve
– NPA’s in most PSU banks though higher than Private banks are still better than a few years ago

I have done a preliminary analysis of the various banks and have found Private sector banks to be fairly or in some cases slightly over-valued. However there are some PSU banks such as Allahabad bank, which I feel are undervalued. I will be posting on Allahabad bank and a few other banks later.

How to make 6.4 lacs by investing 1000 per month

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Is’nt the above title like a typical get rich quick scheme ? Frankly there is no magic in the above. The approach is very simple. The NSE or BSE index on an average has returned around 16-17% per annum for the last 10-15 years. So if one can invest via SIP (systematic investment plan) around 1000 Rs per month, it should amount to around 6.4 lacs after 10 years. This is with the assumption that the gain is evenly distributed ( @ 1.4 % per month) across the entire 120 month time period.

Ofcourse reality is not that convinient. However volatility generally helps in improving the overall returns in an SIP plan. So if one can maintain the discipline of investing 1000 per month irrespective of how the market is doing in the short term, it will work out in the long run.

Let me give a few scenarios (investing 1000/ month)


Anyone can follow this approach by regularly investing in an ETF or an index fund for the long term and come out well. Even better if you can find a mutual fund which can beat the market by 2-3% point.

So where’s the catch? well there is none really. The main problem is us. Think of it … where is the sex appeal or sizzle in this strategy. If you discuss this with your friend, do you think you will get anything more than a yawn? Who is going to be impressed with this approach ?

I know what comes to everyone’s mind (mine included), namely – I am a better investor. I can make 25% per annum and have beaten the daylights out of the market for last 2 years. Who wants this boring strategy, when I can do all kinds of fancy stuff, have fun at it and boast about it too. Maybe its true, but can you be sure?

So the question is – is it better to follow a known strategy and build a decent nest egg in the next 10-15 years, or try for the moon which may or may not happen.

I am not different than anyone else and tend to follow both approaches at the same time. I prefer not to discount a simple and effective approach. As a result a portion of my portfolio is always indexed and in SIP.

Analysis – Sundaram Finance

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About
SF(sundaram finance) is an NBFC promoted by the same group which controls companies such sundaram clayton etc. The company is the business of hire purchase and leasing in the automotive sector. In addition the company has subsidiaries for housing finance, asset management, Infotech, insurance etc.

Financials
The company reported a consolidated revenue of 1100 crs with a growth of around 25%. The company has had decent topline and bottom line growth in double digits for the last 5-6 years. The ROE has improved around 10% to almost 15% now. The company also has extremely low NPA of around 0.5% and CAR ratio in excess of 12%.
The company has AAA ratings and has been able to get funding from banks and other institution at competitive rates.

Positives
The company is a well managed conservative company. It has show good growth in the last 5 years, with a decent ROE and low NPA. In addition the company has a strong brand name in its segment and a good distribution and marketing infrastructure which is important in the hire/purchase and lease business.
In addition the company is now expanding into new growth areas such as home finance, asset management and insurance. Several of these subsidiaries are now doing well and have turned profitable in the past few years

Risks
The core business of the company is still hire purchase and leasing in the auto sector. The auto sector has been in a growth phase in the last 5 years. As a result the company has been able to show good results and low NPA. However a downturn could slowdown the topline and bottom line and also increase the NPA’s.
The company is expanding into various financial services such as insurance, housing finance, infotech etc. These businesses are still new and have just turned profitable. However there are still risks in these businesses till they mature.

Valuation
It is important to do a sum of part valuation of the company as the company has several subsidiaries, JVs and associates. A conservative valuation would give the company a value of approximately 2000 Crs which is a 35% discount to the current mcap of 1275 Crs. An optimistic valuation would give a value of 2700 Crs which is more than double the current mcap.
To put it differently, the current mcap accounts for the parent company only and all the JV’s, subsidiary and associates are available for free.

The caveat however is that the investments in associates are mainly in group companies and it is unlikely that these holding would ever be sold. The company would be able to get good dividends from these holdings, but the full value is not likely to be realised.

The Reliance effect

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update : Oct 09
well, the euphoria has increased even more since i posted, which was just a few days back. Reliance and a few other stocks like L&T are the new dotcoms of 2007. I am getting a sense of deja-vu ..can see a replay of 2000 here, alteast the initial part. Soon we will have people justifying the current run-up saying how it is ‘different’ this time.
Personally, in this bi-polar market i can see quite a few undervalued stocks and would prefer to concentrate on them than get pulled into this frenzy.

The S&P CNX nifty (NSE index) has risen by around 13.2 % in the last one month with the main move happening after the fed rate cut on 18th. The funny thing is that all reliance stocks have shot up since then.

The following is the increase in the price of these stocks in the last one month

RIL – reliance industries – 20.5%
Reliance energy – 75%
RNRL – 115%
Reliance communication – 13.1%
Reliance Chemotex – 147%
RPL – 41%

So I guess anything with the name reliance is in a bull market. The industry does not matter, only the management should be with reliance.

I cannot figure out what is happening. There seems to be two markets now. One is in a bull phase consisting of reliance stocks and a few others, with the rest of the market more or less even. So my approach is to stay away from the overvalued stuff and hold or buy what seems undervalued. Ofcourse i am not into momentum trading, so this approach may not work for those who are into that.

Disclosure – I hold RIL and REL. So I have one portion of my portfolio galloping whereas the rest is barely moving.

Sell half and play with the profit ?

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Scenario: I bought a stock for Rs 50. My intrinsic value estimate was Rs 100. The stock quickly doubled and then some more. It quotes at Rs 125 now. What should I do?

The most common response I read and have also heard from friends is this – Sell half your holding and recover your investment. What you leave behind is your profit. Let it be in the market as can afford to play around with it.

I have myself engaged in the above logic. However I find this logic completely faulty. My ‘investment’ now is not Rs 50. It is Rs 125. That is the money I have now with me. I can sell the stock completely and choose to invest the money in another security or maybe just buy a Flat screen TV or whatever I fancy 🙂

The above is a case of anchoring bias. We tend to anchor our thinking to the purchase price of the stock. The purchase price is history. The current price is what matters

Lets take another case

I buy a stock for Rs 50. My intrinsic value estimate is Rs 100. The stock drops to 40. I investigate and realise that I have made an error and the intrinsic value is actually 35 only. What should I do?

The price of 50 now has no meaning. The stock has dropped and is still quoting above the intrinsic value. A rational response would be to take a loss and move on. Before I sound any more preachy, let me tell you I have been guilty of the same thought process. I bought SSI at Rs 1900 and rode it right to Rs 100.

Personally, I think the most rational approach is to constantly evaluate the stock price with your conservative estimate of intrinsic value. If the stock sells for more than intrinsic value , sell or else hold. Nothing else matters! not the price paid for the stock or the current level of the market.

Gujarat gas – Recent review

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I invested in Gujarat gas back in 2003 and exited my position by 2006. I recently read the following post on ranjit’s blog. As Gujarat gas is one of his top 5 holdings, I decided to re-look at the company to see what I am missing out as I had exited my position sometime back and did not feel that the company is under-valued.

I found the following positives

– Gujarat gas now sources almost 95% of its gas requirements at market prices now and has been able to maintain the operating margins. In 2003, a substantial portion of gas was procured at subsidized rates and hence there was a risk of margin reduction. The company has been able to manage the transition very well.
– There has been a substantial reduction in the transmission income. The company has managed this well by expanding the other lines of revenue
– There is substantial expansion in progress at Vapi and Jaghadia. Vapi will contribute to revenue in 2007
– Gas volumes, no. of retail customers and bulk customers are all increasing at a heatlhy rate. This should provide good growth over the next few years
– The CNG business is now in growth phase and should provide for healthy growth of revenue and profits.

Overall the company is firing on all cylinders. It also has expansion plans in place and is investing heavily. I have updated my company analysis (valuation template-gujgasaug2007) and uploaded the same. The earlier analysis of the company from 2003-04 is also uploaded in the valueinvestorindia google groups.


Disclaimer: I am not recommending this stock. I do not hold the stock as of now and may or may not have a position in the future.

Feeling smart …like the duck

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In a bull market, one must avoid the error of the preening duck that quacks boastfully after a torrential rainstorm, thinking that its paddling skills have caused it to rise in the world. A right-thinking duck would instead compare its position after the downpour to that of the other ducks on the pond. – Warren bufett – Letter to Berkshire Hathaway shareholders, 1997.

I generally check my portfolio performance once a month and with a runaway stock market (YTD +18% ) , it is diffcult to do badly. So I felt smart – like the duck 🙂 . You have to just throw darts on a stock list to make money these days. Lets see what happens after the music stops !

So are you feeling like the duck?

Hidden value – Kirloskar oil engines – Report card

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I posted on Kirloskar oil engines in oct 2006. I had noted that the company has investment holding in other group companies and JV’s of around Rs 95/ share. My own intrinsic value calculations were in the range of 320-350 Rs/ share. So how did the stock fare?

My personal history with the stock is below. I started investing in the June-july time frame and had an average cost of around 182 Rs/share. I sold at an average price of around 315/ share resulting in an annualized gain of around 75%.

So was it a smart pick ? more of that later. First I bought in june at an average price of around Rs 182/ share and price shot to around 300 by Nov time frame. Had I liquidated then, my annualized gain would be around 125%. Is this hindsight bias? I don’t think so. Let me explain – My approach has generally been buy and hold. The original thesis for this stock was that the company was selling below intrinsic value due to investment holdings and once it approached intrinsic value, I would sell it around 90-100% of the intrinsic value. However old habit die hard. I continued to hold on to the stock due to my muddled thinking.

I later read mohnish pabrai’s book – Dhando investor and also read some lectures by professor bakshi and have expanded my investment approach to buy and hold and to graham type stocks (which I sell once they reach 90-95% of intrinsic value). So the next time around when the stock approached my estimates of intrinsic value, I offloaded it completely this time.

Coming back to the issue of whether it was smart pick. The company is trading around intrinsic value, so it is tempting to claim that I was right. Frankly I am not sure. I also agree with prof bakshi’s comment in his interview that if the corporate structure is flawed, wherein the hidden value will not be unlocked, then such ideas are value traps. I have seen several such stocks where the investments in group companies makes them look undervalued. However I am wary of investing heavily in such stocks.

Final note: I did my personal analysis in june-july and posted it in oct 2006. So please do not blindly follow my suggestions when I publish them. I would suggest that you should do as I do on such stock analysis by bloggers. There are a number of like minded bloggers I read regularly. Whenever they discuss a stock, I make it a point to analyse it myself. I may not agree with the analysis eventually, but I know for sure that blogger has done some analysis and if it has passed his screens, it is definitely worth looking at closely.

Book notes – Way of the Turtle – Final post

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Final post on my notes with my comments in italics

Earlier posts on the same book here,here, here and here

The thirteenth chapter discusses how robust systems can be developed. Systems which work in varying market situations are robust. The author gives an example from biological systems. He refers to the concept of simplicity and diversity. Simpler organisms are most resilient than complex ones which are adapted to specific environments. Also nature develops diverse organisms so that the ecosystem is shielded from the effects of a radical change in the environment. So systems or approaches built on these two concepts are more robust.

An investor following a simple and diverse approach will be more successful than others. For example, a value investor (simple approach) following a graham style approach, aribtrage and DCF based approach (diversity) can be fairly successful in varying market circumstances.

The fourteenth chapter discusses about the role of ego in investing. The simple rules discussed in the book are effective and profitable. However these simple rules do not feed the ego. When beginning traders use descretionary trading and use their own judgement, any win feeds the ego and feels good. You can now brag to your friends on how smart you are. The author mentions that this behavior is prevalent on online trading forums.

The same is applicable for value investors too. Value investing is a very effective and simple approach. However very few have the discipline to follow it consistently.

The author makes a very valid point for traders (and investors) that one should not wrap his ego around every trading win or loss. A failed trade or investment does not mean that you are an idiot or that a winning trade or investment does not mean that you are a genius. One should view failure and success in the market in the right perspective and not take it too personally (although it is easier said than done)

The last chapter discusses the Turtle trading rules in detail. It is however difficult for me to discuss them in detail here.

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