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I received an email from Thirunarayanan with some interesting questions and have decided to publish my answers to his email.

1. You said that your goal is to beat the stock market by 5-8%. How did you arrive at this lower and higher end ? And why is that important ?

The market on an average has given 13-14% per annum over the long term, maybe even more. In case of most of the value investors – ones with public record- i have seen an outperformance of around 2-3%. The greatest of them all – warren buffett beat the market by around 13%. So i have taken a goal which is not as ambititous as buffett, but more ambititous than the average. Also as i do this part time, i dont think it would be easy for me to exceed 8% above market – which translates to around 20-23% per annum over the long run (5+ years).

The above goal is important, for the reason that the time and effort should justify the rewards. i can easily match the index or maybe beat it by 1-2% via index or mutual funds. So i should cross the high water mark of 1-2% to justify this effort, else i am better off investing in index and mutual funds – which i do now too. I have been lucky to have exceeded my goal till date.

2. You also mentioned that you wanted to beat the stock market on 3 year rolling cycle. How did you arrive at that number ? And what is the significance of this number ?

The reason of having a 3 yr rolling period is that a yearly or lesser number is too short to confirm if i am beating the market or not. Over 1 year or less, luck plays an important role and one cannot be sure if the performance is due to skill. However as the time period increases, the element of luck reduces and skill plays a bigger role in the returns. The reason for keeping it 3 years is that it long enough to eliminate substantial a component of luck, but not so long that i dont get feedback for a long time on whether i am truly beating the market or not.

There are ofcourse no hard and fast rules on the above parameters and i have set them to my own specific case.

3. I am assuming that you are publishing your whole portfolio and your thought process in your blog. What are the chances of someone coat-tailing? What are your chances of seeing some competition and see a rise in the share price because of your publication ? Either you will share forever or there may be a time when you will have to stop revealing a lot (because of competition or lack of time to blog)

I have no issues people coat tailing me, although i dont think that is a problem yet. i am not yet so famous or considered a super investor that people will blindly follow me. in addition, my picks usually have a bad short term outlook.

So it is unlikely someone will just buy what i discuss and see immediate benefit.My approach on the blog is to share my learnings and analysis, but i dont give tips. So an individual is left to make his decision, which is not easy if you are just following someone blindly. Also considering i am small investor and followed by others like me, it is very unlikely that any stock i discuss will have a price run up after i discuss about it. if that starts happening ..then i have arrived in life :).

On continuing to share my ideas i dont know how long this will continue. i dont see it stopping in the next couple of years ..however i do have plans to start private investment partnerships. When i do so, i will have look at the constraints such an arrangement will have. However that is still a few years away.

Analysis – Patni computers – II

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I initiated the analysis of Patni computers in my last post. The rest of the analysis follows

Competitive analysis
The IT services industry is a very competitive industry driven by scale, customer relationships and management quality.

I think there is a low level of differentiation in the industry (contrary to what each company claims in its annual report) and most of the companies provide a similar product.

There is a decent amount of lockin at the customer level. Most companies including patni have a high % of repeat business and are able to leverage these relationships and customer lockin to sell additional services. However there is a substantial amount of competition now and it is no longer a given that a company will always maintain the same level of engagement at a client.

Patni has had a high concentration of revenue from its top customers. This has however been reducing in the last few years which is a good thing.

Finally management quality is an important factor in the IT industry, which I evaluate in the next section

Management quality checklist

– Management compensation: The founders and executive directors are entitled to a pension equal to 50% of last pay after 62 yrs of age. I cannot fathom the logic of this compensation. The current value of this obligation is almost 35 Crs and increasing. This is around 1% of the company’s market cap. Although not a large amount by itself, I cannot see any precedent for this kind of compensation in any other company in the industry. The compensation for the top management including the founders is almost 8% of net profit. This level of compensation is quite high and above the industry average. In addition this represents a 50% increase in 2008, when the performance does not justify such an increase.
– Capital allocation record: average record. The ROE has been high and the management has not blown too much cash on accquisitions, but as other IT companies, the company is holding too much cash. In addition the dividend payouts are not commensurate with the profit levels.
– Shareholder communication – good and in line with other IT services companies
– Accounting practise – The disclosure levels are good, in line with other IT company. However the company has around 185 Crs of hedge related liability on the balancesheet. I have not been able to find the details, but I can also see a 144 crs hedge reserve. This looks like a writeoff of the hedging losses without passing it through P&L. This is aggressive accounting. On the other hand the company has also adopted AS30 (forex related accounting) in advance which is a positive. In addition the company has a translation adjustment of almost 110 Mn usd (500 Crs) in the GAAP statement. I have to evaluate how much of this loss will reverse due to forex changes and how much will have a pass through into the P&L statement depending on the nature of the derivative contracts.
– Conflict of interest and related party transactions – Nothing stands out in terms of related party transactions. As stated earlier, the compensation is quite high and the same is confirmed in this section too.
– Performance track record – average. The management has shown average performance in terms of the topline and bottom line growth. On absolute basis the performance is good, but average in comparison to the industry.

Valuation
The key to valuing an IT services company is to estimate its underlying earnings power. The net profit numbers for most companies has been fluctuating a lot due to forex changes. In addition, the current tax levels are too low due to imminent expiration of the tax holidays.

Patni had a forex gain of almost 103 Crs in 2007 and a loss of 83 Crs in the current year. The tax as a % of PBT has dropped from 16% of PBT in 2007 to around 5% in 2008. Clearly a 5% tax rate is not sustainable.

As a final adjustment to the valuation, one must also adjust the impact of the stock options (or RSU now). I have made the following assumptions in arriving at my final numbers (these can ofcourse be debated)

Tax as % of PBT = 25%
Future earning power = 7.5% of sales (7.5 % net margin) excluding the impact of forex. Current net margins are around 12-14%.
Cost of outstanding options = 152 Crs
Dilution due to options = 1.17 cr additional shares

If we consider the above assumptions, a PE of 14 (which is not aggressive for a company with 8-10% growth and ROE of 15%+) and cash on books of around 1300 Crs, the intrinsic value is 6000-6300 Crs.

Scenario analysis
The above valuation assumes a very modest topline growth (around 10% per annum) and a negative growth for net profits (due to falling net margins and higher taxation).

The company could get a better valuation if it is able to hold its net margins and reduce the forex losses. I think the performance risk for the company are low as the current market enviorment is as bad as it can get – drop in demand, forex losses etc.

conclusion
Patni is a decent undervalued idea. However due to the various management issues outlined earlier and average performance in the past, I will not look at the company as a long term holding. It would be good idea to hold the company as long as the undervaluation exists and then exit once the gap closes.

Disclaimer – I have a holding in the stock.

Analysis – Patni

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I will be publishing the analysis in multiple parts.

About
Patni is an IT services company similar to Infosys, WIPRO and other companies in the same industry. The company derieves a major portion of its revenue from the US. The main industry segments in which the company operates are Financial services, insurance, manufacturing and media.

The key feature of the business model is offshoring. Indian IT services company provide a cost advantage to the customer by executing the work in low cost locations such as India.

Financials
The company has been doing fairly well financially for the last couple of years. It has been able to maintain its ROE in excess of 15% over the past 5 years. The calculated ROE is depressed due to high cash on books (running almost 1400 Crs now). The company had a good topline growth till 2005, which slowed down in 2007 and 2008. However it has still been able to pull off a double digit growth for 2008.
The net margins has dropped from around 20% to around 13% levels due to forex losses. The net margins are not as high as the Tier I companies such as infosys, but still at healthy levels.
The net profit growth has been fairly erratic in the last few years due to the forex changes. However the profit has doubled in the last 5 years inspite of the major changes in the market such as recession, flucutations in the Rupee-dollar rates and increases in the salary etc.

Positives
The company has a fairly healthy cash flow and the same is visible via the strong level of cash on the balance sheet. The company has had a moderate growth in the topline and bottomline numbers.
The company is also growing faster in the non US markets and thus reducing the dependence and contribution of the US markets.
The company recently completed a buyback of almost 10% of its equity at around 210 Rs per share. Thus the company has been able to buyback its shares at a fairly discounted price and thus add value to the exisiting shareholders. This buyback is however partly offset by almost 1 Cr ESOP outstanding for employees which would increase the dilution.

Negatives
The are several negatives with the company. The company performance has been average and has not been of the level of the tier I vendors. As a result the company will not get the valuations of its more successful competitors. The company has had a decent performance, but on a comparitive basis it is poorer than the tier I vendors.

The other negatives is the stock options plan of the company. The earlier stock option plan was almost 5% of the equity. However in 2008, the plan was converted to a RSO (restricted stock options) plan with a strike price of almost Rs 2 / share. The irritating part is that the proposal was approved without the management specifying if the ESOP numbers will roll into the RSO plan. If that happen,I am looking at a reduction of almost 150 Crs (6-7 Rs/ share) in the value of the stock. This may not be huge, but it is irritating to see the company change the plan at the expense of the shareholders.

Risks
The company shares the usual risks faced by the other IT companies such as recession, protectionism in developed markets, cost escalation and competitive pressures from other IT vendors – both indian and foreign.

Next post : competitive analysis, Management quality, valuation and conclusion

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Should I sell ?

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I have been receiving this question and its variants via comments and emails for the last few days.

Let me try to answer this question from my point of view. My response may not be typical of what is usually recommended and may not suit your specific case.

I am wary of a simplistic approach of selling stocks at an X % profit or at predefined index or price level. A decision to sell, like buying is more nuanced and requires more thought than that.

Two criterias for selling
In my case, the selling criteria is part and parcel of the analysis done before buying the stock. I typically will have an exit criteria in mind based on fundamentals and valuation at the time of buying the stock. If the business fundamentals deteriorate more than expected (see my post on India nippon), then I will sell the stock if I think that the drop is not temporary and the intrinsic value will stagnate or drop in the future.

The second case where i sell the stock is when the current price exceeds the intrinsic value by 10-15% and the future increases in the intrinsic value is less than the returns I can get via other opportunities. So if the stock is selling at intrinsic value and I can find another idea at a 40% or higher discount, then I will sell the stock and re-invest the proceeds in the new idea.

You will notice a lack of reference to any pre-determined index levels or fixed increase in stock price in my sell criteria. For starters, index levels do not have a direct bearing on individual stock. My pick can stagnate when the index is rising and vice versa. So selling a stock just because the index has gone up would be foolish

Mental accounting
I will also not sell stock just because it has gone up by X% to ‘book’ some profit and leave my profits behind. This would be a clear case of mental accounting (put cost and profit in different mental accounts) and an attempt to avoid regret. If one breaks the investment into different mental accounts, there is tendency to recover the cost and let the profit run. I see no reason to treat profits any different from the cost. The entire money is just one single account (available capital) and it is important to take decision on the entire holding as such.

Avoiding regret
A common reason for selling is also to avoid regret. If the market drops, I will regret losing the profit. However I would say that in the short term, it is impossible to avoid regret. If the market rises, then you will end up regretting selling the stock and losing on the upside.

If I cannot predict the markets and avoid regret, the best option is to have an approach based on intrinsic value and accept the fact that I could face regret in the short term irrespective of my decision. The same scenario occurred for anyone who waited for the election results to commence buying. In order to avoid the regret of buying at a higher price and then see the price drop after the elections, they ended up watching the price shoot up and are now regretting missing the rise.

Final bias – hindsight bias
The silliest reason by far is to evaluate a decision based on how the market moves in the short term. If the market rises after I decide to hold the stock, does it make me smart or stupid if the market drops? absolutely not !!

All investing decisions have to be taken based on current information and in absence of knowing which way the market will move, my decision can appear to be very smart or stupid in the short run. However if you follow a rational approach of buying and selling stocks based on some measure of value, then short term market movements should not trouble you too much (which ofcourse is easier said than done)

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